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Post  bman4782 18th August 2012, 1:56 am



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Post  andrew 18th August 2012, 2:09 am

Its ok because the cops use hollow points, they won't over penetrate and damage property/hurt someone. When you fuck with cops, you get fucked up. He was retarded for doing what he was doing, probably on drugs and had a weapon.
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Post  Desert Sleepy 18th August 2012, 2:27 am

Eh, I'm sure shit like this could happen in Russia too. Not a big surprise. You'd think they'd be just fine letting all the other cops shoot, but apparently they were all feeling jumpy. Apparently, whenever they start feeling scared they fall into a robot like state where they do exactly as they learned in training and loose any ability to think or use restraint. None of 'em could ever make it as a helicopter pilot.

Also, why the hell does it look like that guy's either walking on his knees or a dwarf? Guy with a camera should have used his zoom.
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Post  Jagdgeschwader 18th August 2012, 3:02 am

Desert Sleepy wrote:Eh, I'm sure shit like this could happen in Russia too. Not a big surprise. You'd think they'd be just fine letting all the other cops shoot, but apparently they were all feeling jumpy. Apparently, whenever they start feeling scared they fall into a robot like state where they do exactly as they learned in training and loose any ability to think or use restraint. None of 'em could ever make it as a helicopter pilot.

Also, why the hell does it look like that guy's either walking on his knees or a dwarf? Guy with a camera should have used his zoom.

They're not scared at all. It's obvious what to do. Man with weapon charges, shoot to stop. Just turns out that everyone did it...at the same time...

Don't mess with cops. Don't walk out to them with a knife. Don't NOT put it down when they tell you to. This won't happen.
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Post  Desert Sleepy 18th August 2012, 6:02 am

Jagdgeschwader wrote:They're not scared at all. It's obvious what to do. Man with weapon charges, shoot to stop. Just turns out that everyone did it...at the same time...

Don't mess with cops. Don't walk out to them with a knife. Don't NOT put it down when they tell you to. This won't happen.

Evidently they're either scared or going on a power trip, seeing as he didn't charge them. In fact, he was slowly walking away from them. So either one of the cops got frightened or got pissed off that someone was walking away from them. In that case, a taser would have been a perfectly adequate way to stop him. Not to mention that apparently the knife was a three inch folding knife. I have a knife that's longer than that and it would take all day to kill someone with it, unless they're staying still. But apparently the six men with pistols drawn had no choice but to unload their weapons into a slowly retreating dwarf because he had a tiny knife and they just didn't feel like trying any alternate tactic. I read what the police training guy said about knives: "We treat an edged weapon just like a gun because research and history has shown us that edged weapons can kill just as easily as guns can. We teach in basic training to treat edged weapons as a fatal situation". Apparently his research involved watching The Hunted (2003). He says that police are trained to respond with their gun. Fair enough, but why couldn't one of the six pull out a taser? Do they have no faith whatsoever that their comrades might be even slightly competent? Were they incapable of communicating with one another?

He didn't mess with the cops; he spit at a convenience store clerk. He didn't walk out to them with a knife; they walked up to him after being called. This wouldn't happen if the police officers involved had some basic reasoning ability or were even slightly competent. If they do so poorly under such little pressure, they should pursue a career as a fast food cashier. No matter how you look at it, they shot a dwarf with a three inch knife who was slowly walking away from them 46 times, continuing to fire well after he'd fallen to the ground. I've heard all the gung-ho bullshit, "they shoot to kill, center mass" "their only concern is: End the threat" "Keep firing until they're down and the threat is neutralized and the corpse has been turned into chunks" "All who dare defy authority should be hung with a thin wire", yada yada, but the fact is this was so easily avoidable. It would have been incredibly easy to end this without anyone dying, and yet that's not happen. They even had a police dog on scene, but no matter. Better to just give the dwarf an octuple firing squad to the back rather than risk possible slight injury to your extremely capable police dog. There's no way a trained police dog could subdue a slow moving 49 year old little person. This was incredibly avoidable, and the force used was insanely disproportionate (continuing to fire on him while he was laying down after just having been shot so many times? Evidently they're not very cool under pressure if they're that scared of obviously dead stationary corpses).

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/saginaw_sees_third_police-invo.html
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Post  Made in Finland 18th August 2012, 9:54 am

Desert Sleepy wrote:Eh, I'm sure shit like this could happen in Russia too.
How is that relevant at all?

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Post  Jagdgeschwader 18th August 2012, 10:04 am

Desert Sleepy wrote:
Jagdgeschwader wrote:They're not scared at all. It's obvious what to do. Man with weapon charges, shoot to stop. Just turns out that everyone did it...at the same time...

Don't mess with cops. Don't walk out to them with a knife. Don't NOT put it down when they tell you to. This won't happen.

Evidently they're either scared or going on a power trip, seeing as he didn't charge them. In fact, he was slowly walking away from them. So either one of the cops got frightened or got pissed off that someone was walking away from them. In that case, a taser would have been a perfectly adequate way to stop him. Not to mention that apparently the knife was a three inch folding knife. I have a knife that's longer than that and it would take all day to kill someone with it, unless they're staying still. But apparently the six men with pistols drawn had no choice but to unload their weapons into a slowly retreating dwarf because he had a tiny knife and they just didn't feel like trying any alternate tactic. I read what the police training guy said about knives: "We treat an edged weapon just like a gun because research and history has shown us that edged weapons can kill just as easily as guns can. We teach in basic training to treat edged weapons as a fatal situation". Apparently his research involved watching The Hunted (2003). He says that police are trained to respond with their gun. Fair enough, but why couldn't one of the six pull out a taser? Do they have no faith whatsoever that their comrades might be even slightly competent? Were they incapable of communicating with one another?

He didn't mess with the cops; he spit at a convenience store clerk. He didn't walk out to them with a knife; they walked up to him after being called. This wouldn't happen if the police officers involved had some basic reasoning ability or were even slightly competent. If they do so poorly under such little pressure, they should pursue a career as a fast food cashier. No matter how you look at it, they shot a dwarf with a three inch knife who was slowly walking away from them 46 times, continuing to fire well after he'd fallen to the ground. I've heard all the gung-ho bullshit, "they shoot to kill, center mass" "their only concern is: End the threat" "Keep firing until they're down and the threat is neutralized and the corpse has been turned into chunks" "All who dare defy authority should be hung with a thin wire", yada yada, but the fact is this was so easily avoidable. It would have been incredibly easy to end this without anyone dying, and yet that's not happen. They even had a police dog on scene, but no matter. Better to just give the dwarf an octuple firing squad to the back rather than risk possible slight injury to your extremely capable police dog. There's no way a trained police dog could subdue a slow moving 49 year old little person. This was incredibly avoidable, and the force used was insanely disproportionate (continuing to fire on him while he was laying down after just having been shot so many times? Evidently they're not very cool under pressure if they're that scared of obviously dead stationary corpses).

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/saginaw_sees_third_police-invo.html

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Post  KroganEnigma 18th August 2012, 11:04 am

Oh say can you see,
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The faaace of the enemy's
Glaring white eye,
Now puuuuul the trigger
And watch them explode,
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Post  eaustinn36 18th August 2012, 11:17 am

The police reacted as expected (so it is fine), BUT, 46 shots is a little excessive, especially when he ws brought down after like 1 or 2. They should have fired no more than 5 shots (so he is down), and then taze him if he makes a motion to try and get up.

But anyways, as Jag said, don't mess with police; aside from the number "46", nothing is crazy or abnormal about this video.

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Post  Desert Sleepy 18th August 2012, 12:34 pm

Made in Finland wrote:
Desert Sleepy wrote:Eh, I'm sure shit like this could happen in Russia too.
How is that relevant at all?

Was responding to Bman's assertion "Only in America"

Jagdgeschwader wrote:Don't mess with cops. Don't walk out to them with a knife. Don't NOT put it down when they tell you to. This won't happen.

No matter how you look at it, they shot a dwarf with a three inch knife who was slowly walking away from them 46 times, continuing to fire well after he'd fallen to the ground. And it was easily avoidable by anyone with a functional brain.
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Post  Jagdgeschwader 18th August 2012, 1:06 pm

KroganEnigma wrote:Oh say can you see,
By the gun's bright light,
The faaace of the enemy's
Glaring white eye,
Now puuuuul the trigger
And watch them explode,
For God blessed America,
With the abilitiy to do so.

Not only does that not fit.

You're an idiot.

eaustinn36 wrote:The police reacted as expected (so it is fine), BUT, 46 shots is a little excessive, especially when he ws brought down after like 1 or 2. They should have fired no more than 5 shots (so he is down), and then taze him if he makes a motion to try and get up.

But anyways, as Jag said, don't mess with police; aside from the number "46", nothing is crazy or abnormal about this video.

Btw, love the Young Turks; good stuff.

Even Austin agrees with me. Has hell frozen over?
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Post  andrew 18th August 2012, 1:14 pm

They were shooting to kill, when they do that they usually get it done. No power trip, no rules broken, and of course one less crackhead.
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Post  eaustinn36 18th August 2012, 1:46 pm

andrew wrote:They were shooting to kill, when they do that they usually get it done. No power trip, no rules broken, and of course one less crackhead.

I'm pretty sure he was already dead within the first 10 shots....
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Post  bman4782 18th August 2012, 2:01 pm

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Post  Jagdgeschwader 18th August 2012, 2:22 pm

eaustinn36 wrote:
andrew wrote:They were shooting to kill, when they do that they usually get it done. No power trip, no rules broken, and of course one less crackhead.

I'm pretty sure he was already dead within the first 10 shots....

No. It's never shoot to kill with police unless it's something like North Hollywood Shootout. It's always shoot to stop. Officially anyway.

Adding on to Austin, I think everyone just did it at the same time as a coincidence. You couldn't think something like that what happen. I didn't anyway.
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Post  ApocalypseVVolf. 18th August 2012, 2:34 pm

I'll estimate that this was just coincidental mayhem. I'm guessing every cop at the scene was really on the edge at that particular moment. Especially facing that extreme threat; "the dwarf with a three-inch knife".

If you're going to not put a weapon down, tell the cops how pissed off you are, and then walk towards them (Or away from them, potentially gone to rant & stab other people.). You deserve to be shot 40 times because you're such a fucking idiot.

Put the weapon down, get on your knees, and put your hands behind your head.
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Post  eaustinn36 18th August 2012, 2:47 pm

Jagdgeschwader wrote:It's always shoot to stop. Officially anyway.

Adding on to Austin, I think everyone just did it at the same time as a coincidence. You couldn't think something like that what happen. I didn't anyway.

Shoot to stop, I agree, but he fell down and was "stopped" after the first second... they probably put another 30 rounds in him when he was already down.
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Post  Desert Sleepy 18th August 2012, 5:17 pm

ApocalypseVVolf. wrote:If you're going to not put a weapon down, tell the cops how pissed off you are, and then walk towards them (Or away from them, potentially gone to rant & stab other people.). You deserve to be shot 40 times because you're such a fucking idiot.

Apparently he had some sort of mental disorder (not surprising for a homeless person who was in this situation), so that may explain the odd behavior. As for going off to stab other people, probably not for one, and even if he was, he was slowly walking away and would have been easily stopped unless the police all became paralyzed. People tend to not be extremely rational when they're angry, and to say anyone who ever gets angry to that point deserves to be unnecessarily shot 40 times is over the top.
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Post  Cloakey100 18th August 2012, 5:35 pm

British police are soooooo much better at dealing with shit (sarcastic tone)





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Post  Jagdgeschwader 18th August 2012, 7:25 pm

Rioting just to riot. What scum.
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Post  Cloakey100 18th August 2012, 9:02 pm

Jagdgeschwader wrote:Rioting just to riot. What scum.

They started rioting because a black man with a gun threatened to shoot the police so they shot him.

Apparently that it was racist and unethical for the police to do that so thousands of people ransacked shops and stores because apparently it was "wrong" but if a guy is walking pointing a gun at people .somebodies gonna stop him

Idiots..............
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Post  Jagdgeschwader 18th August 2012, 11:12 pm

I bet it never even crossed their minds that everyone they harassed and made quake in their terror had nothing at all to do with it. Not only that, if it were a black cop who shot a white man, nobody would've ever said a damn thing.

Again, what scum.
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Post  eaustinn36 19th August 2012, 12:06 am

Jagdgeschwader wrote:I bet it never even crossed their minds that everyone they harassed and made quake in their terror had nothing at all to do with it. Not only that, if it were a black cop who shot a white man, nobody would've ever said a damn thing.

Again, what scum.
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