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Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
STUNTMAN1TY 15th December 2011, 10:29 pm
So with GTA V coming out, I decided to play through GTA IV's story mode once more just for giggles, and when the end was near and that one big decision was around the corner, I decided to watch both endings for comparison, but it left me wondering which one contributed better toward the story? Any ideas?
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
eaustinn36 15th December 2011, 10:42 pm
If you're talking about the deal / Revenge one...
If you don't want to open the spoiler for an explanation, I think the Revenge one is better.
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- I think revenge served best. Dimitri betrayed Niko and tried to kill them both multiple times.
In the mission, Pegorino asks Niko to do the deal for him. However, you catch Niko earlier on in the story saying "orders are sometimes difficult to carry out, you must make sure you agree with them first" (paraphrasing). Niko then goes on to talk about his mistake with Bulgarin. If Niko learned from this, he would have killed Dimitri first chance he gets; money isn't everything. Look at his backstory for example: One of the group back in the war turned and sold them all out for money ($1,000). Niko shouldn't betray that standard, no matter how many times Roman begs him for it.
The deal was a decent choice, but overall, revenge served Niko's character best IMO. If you don't kill the person then, they will just keep haunting you your whole life. This was demonstrated with Niko's re-meet up with Bulgarin in Liberty City, causing him all the problems.
Now, on a side note, which is a better decision to make overall (for you the gamer, not Niko)? Definitely revenge again. If Kate dies, it is really no loss, since she breaks off all communication with you after the mission if she lives. Roman, however, will continue to be in contact with you after the story is complete. Worried about the money? You still get the $250,000 no matter which choice you make, so that can be taken out of the equation. The only real choice in the end is who dies.
So yeah, TLDR: The revenge one served the plot best.
If you don't want to open the spoiler for an explanation, I think the Revenge one is better.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
Super Mega King 15th December 2011, 11:35 pm
I agree with everything eaustinn said.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
Desert Sleepy 16th December 2011, 12:46 am
I liked the deal option better.
Another aspect that should probably be taken into account is Darko.
So yeah, I'm assuming eaustinn and Super Mega King both went with Revenge. In that case, which option did you choose with Darko? Also, I think anyone else should mention it, as it relates to the plot.
By the way, which ending did you like better? You said you did both.
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- I could care less about Niko's character. He's hardly a good guy. And aside from that, I'm sure a lot of people would be relieved to break off contact with Roman. And I've heard that Kate stops talking to you if you pick Deal before, but it didn't happen with me. She ended up calling right after the end credits, and I think I still had the option to do friend stuff (Not that that's useful at all, as she doesn't give you bombs or helicopter rides). I had played both versions, and liked them both, but I still preferred Deal, not only because I like the ending variant (fall off helicopter, get in boat, chase,) but also because I just thought it ended better. With Revenge, you kill Dimitri, then Pegarino gets pissed at you and tries to kill you himself by driving by the wedding with an AK47. Then, he's somehow got a huge army of guys at his disposal despite just getting screwed out of a deal and his family pretty much falling apart. And then when you finally catch him on the island and take him down, you just yell at him about him shooting Kate, and he's just like "*cough* I meant to shoot you you European fuck *cough*", which you no doubt knew beforehand. Then Niko keeps talking about "Kate was innocent", and Pegarino's just like "(Thinking) Whatever, I meant to shoot you." After that, I think you just finish Pegarino off and then whatever. I just think the Deal ending is slightly more realistic and goes with GTA IV's semi-realistic tone better.
In the Deal ending, Dimitri does the realistic thing and instead of trying to drive-by you himself just sends a hit-man. Then, since he and Pegarino are working together, the huge horde of guys at the casino makes more sense, since Dimitri was already a fairly powerful mob boss, and now has a few of Pegarino's lackeys helping him out. Dimitri kills Pegarino, probably assuming he won't be useful enough in combat to justify sharing with him. Then you do the boat-helicopter sequence, which I think is more realistic than Revenge's Dirtbike-Helicopter sequence, which is one of the reasons I prefer it. Not to mention that when you get to the island your final boss is Dimitri, which I think is much more appropriate than Pegarino, and it made the ending epic for me. You finally dealing with the guy who's been gunning for you almost all game, as opposed to taking down the guy who's only been gunning for you for a couple minutes. Plus, I think the ending conversation between Niko and Dimitri makes for a better ending, not to mention Niko losing his cousin, instead of losing some friend who didn't really matter much.
Another aspect that should probably be taken into account is Darko.
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- I.E., whichever option you chose for Darko relates to the overall plot-line. If you chose to kill him, then Niko's the revenge type, and going with the Revenge ending makes sense. If you choose to spare him, then I think it goes more with Niko's character to not go for revenge, and instead try to do Deal in the hopes that things would work out better for him and Roman. Obviously it goes wrong, and seeing that Dimitri is STILL out to get you forces you to take revenge. I personally prefer letting Darko go, since I guess I'm just not the angry revenge type, so Niko can't be either while I'm playing.
So yeah, I'm assuming eaustinn and Super Mega King both went with Revenge. In that case, which option did you choose with Darko? Also, I think anyone else should mention it, as it relates to the plot.
By the way, which ending did you like better? You said you did both.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
VrAzZLe Meister 16th December 2011, 5:45 am
You know Desert, to analyze the endings you do have to care about the main freaking character.
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- Anyways, I felt that the 'Revenge' ending is better. As Erik said it, Niko wouldn't make the deal from what he'd been through. And if he came to LC to kill Darko, he'd damn sure kill off Dimitri as fast as possible.
Plus, I prefer the closure with the 'Revenge' ending. Your possible love interest gets killed, sure. But atleast your own cousin lives. Rather than your cousin dies, and Kate is never suppose to speak to you again. All because you betrayed your morals for the deal. Inb4Katecallsyouafterthecredits, I don't give a sh*t, the story ends with the credits. Hell, she calls you even if she's dead, hence anything after the credits is non-canon, imo.
So yea, I prefer the 'Revenge' ending.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
Desert Sleepy 16th December 2011, 6:08 am
DiLmYnStEr wrote:You know Desert, to analyze the endings you do have to care about the main freaking character.
Admittedly, I was just feeling annoyed thinking about how Rockstar makes him a good guy but also a horrible guy.
DiLmYnStEr wrote:
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Plus, I prefer the closure with the 'Revenge' ending. Your possible love interest gets killed, sure. But atleast your own cousin lives. Rather than your cousin dies, and Kate is never suppose to speak to you again. All because you betrayed your morals for the deal. Inb4Katecallsyouafterthecredits, I don't give a sh*t, the story ends with the credits. Hell, she calls you even if she's dead, hence anything after the credits is non-canon, imo.
So yea, I prefer the 'Revenge' ending.
Wait a minute though....
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- Kate calls you even if she's dead? Are you sure about that, because I remember getting two different sets of calls for each ending.
And pretty much the only thing that would be considered "canon" would be scripted interactions with the characters, I.E. missions and phone calls, as Rockstar set them up as part of the game, whether it comes before or after the credits.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
VrAzZLe Meister 16th December 2011, 3:38 pm
Desert Sleepy wrote:
Wait a minute though....
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And pretty much the only thing that would be considered "canon" would be scripted interactions with the characters, I.E. missions and phone calls, as Rockstar set them up as part of the game, whether it comes before or after the credits.
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- Kate calls you later in the game when you've played either ending. And after the credits, the only other scripted events are a few phone calls. Not worth much mention.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
STUNTMAN1TY 16th December 2011, 5:59 pm
Desert Sleepy wrote:I liked the deal option better.
By the way, which ending did you like better? You said you did both.
Personally, I thought both endings brought about the same amount of satisfaction, but I agree with eaustinn to a degree, the Revenge ending was more story-driven given Niko's backstory and his character that was influenced by how I played it
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- (I was a bad decision-making Niko who killed a lot of people and took revenge on Dimitri and Darko because he let the past haunt him).
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- An example would be the Playboy X vs Dwayne choice, which I actually kind of see as a foreshadowing, Niko doesn't want to kill Dwayne despite the fact he's getting paid $250,000, but whether or not he turns on Playboy or follows orders and kills Dwayne is simply up to how Niko would really react and how it could affect not only him, but his loved ones as well. From Niko's POV this, and the final decision could both be difficult because although he disagrees with the orders given, If you're playing as the selfish Niko, who cares too much for the past and kills people he doesn't agree with, then yeah, he's probably not going to take the Deal. But if you make Niko greedy and driven by money and have him get closer to Roman, then I think that he would want the money to see Roman happy, and maybe find some happiness in himself no matter who he has to kill, and this is why stomping the man off of the building because Vlad said so, shooting Derick rather than Francis, killing Dwayne for the money, and taking the Deal would make sense to most players.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
Pwnisher James 16th December 2011, 6:05 pm
I only did the deal for the achievement, but a true Serb would go for revenge.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
Desert Sleepy 16th December 2011, 6:24 pm
STUNTMAN1TY wrote:
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- I can't really agree that those choices would make sense for most players. Maybe Revenge makes sense for most players, but I definitely think most players would kill Playboy X, both because the 20,000 he offers you is chump change, and because Dwayne is a lot cooler and more useful. You can unlock the option for him to send you an armed thug to help you in gunfights (and I used this in the mission where Roman is kidnapped in Bohan, he was actually really good). In addition to that, he also gives you Playboy's loft, which is not only an awesome house (and worth more than 20,000), but also unlocks the GTA 3 outfit. Plus, I'm sure a lot of people who get into the story prefer to play Niko as someone who has at least a little integrity, who doesn't sell Dwayne and Derrick down the river for personal gain. If he did that, he'd be no different than Darko.
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Re: Which ending served the plot best? (GTA4)
whats in a BLT 17th December 2011, 12:16 am
I went for the money
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