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Re: third person shooters are shitty and if you like them then you're shitty
That's not what you said, unless you have a hard time conveying a thought and expressing yourself...mboddz751 wrote:you litterally just chewed out and spit up what my last post was. try again you pathetic troll.
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i said games can be played from the perspective or with features of a TPS but can still be cetain genres. thats literally what you just repeated.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_shooter
You guys need to stop over-analyzing the games. If it's got a camera over your head and you have a gun, it's a third person shooter.
Dead Space. Third Person Shooter.
Grand Theft Auto. Third Person Shooter.
Saints Row. Third Person Shooter.
Resident Evil. Third Person Shooter.
There's really no debate.
You guys need to stop over-analyzing the games. If it's got a camera over your head and you have a gun, it's a third person shooter.
Dead Space. Third Person Shooter.
Grand Theft Auto. Third Person Shooter.
Saints Row. Third Person Shooter.
Resident Evil. Third Person Shooter.
There's really no debate.
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WestHybrid 360 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_shooter
You guys need to stop over-analyzing the games. If it's got a camera over your head and you have a gun, it's a third person shooter.
Dead Space. Third Person Shooter.
Grand Theft Auto. Third Person Shooter.
Saints Row. Third Person Shooter.
Resident Evil. Third Person Shooter.
There's really no debate.
thank you
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Grow up guys let it go, its getting pretty old now.
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I hate myself for reading everything in this topic
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Re: third person shooters are shitty and if you like them then you're shitty
No you didn't, you just pointed out that "they're 3rd person and you shoot most of the time, there fore they must be TPS".mboddz751 wrote:i said games can be played from the perspective or with features of a TPS but can still be cetain genres. thats literally what you just repeated.
Seriously, are you fucking mentally challenged or something? Are you trying to say, that before I interrupted your multi-spam spree, you were NOT discussing "the definition of a TPS"? Then what is it exactly, that you were talking about?mboddz751 wrote:edit: did i ever state the defintion of a TPS...no didn't, so stop trying to prop me up on a point i never made
@WestHybrid: Go to Wikipedia or some other place where you can see what genre a game is, and look up those games. Sure enough, maybe half the games have TPS mentioned, but never as the primary genre, and on the other half not even mentioned.
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Re: third person shooters are shitty and if you like them then you're shitty
mboddz751 wrote:Super Mega King wrote:Grand Theft Auto is definitely not a third person shooter though I can see where you're coming from. The GTA series isn't built around the shooting mechanics and shooting
WHAT thats some buuuuuulllllllshhiiiiiiit. sure its open world, but what are you doing for easily 90% of the game besides driving? hell you can even shoot while driving.
I was trying to create a distinction between games that are true third-person shooters like Gears of War or Spec Ops and games that simply incorporate shooting elements like open-world Rockstar games.
In "true" third-person shooters, the game is built around the shooting, and the shooting drives the gameplay forward. In Gears of War, if you aren't shooting, then you're moving to the next segment where you DO shoot. Same for Spec Ops. That's why they're "true" third-person shooters.
In the GTA games, there's a lot more to the games than a series of shooting segments. There's an open world to explore, driving, activities, etc etc... the point being that while third person shooting IS a major factor in the game, the game isn't designed as a third person shooter. It's an adventure game that takes elements from arcade racers and third-person shooters, hence it being more aptly described as an "action-adventure."
But yeah, you're right, something can be a blend of genres. A survival horror game like Dead Space can use elements of a third person shooter, and it does. I just wanted to stress that the games I generally don't like (and I targeted a bit in my post) was TRUE third-persons like I first described, and not action-adventure, survival horror, blah blah blah.
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Made in Finland wrote:No you didn't, you just pointed out that "they're 3rd person and you shoot most of the time, there fore they must be TPS".mboddz751 wrote:i said games can be played from the perspective or with features of a TPS but can still be cetain genres. thats literally what you just repeated.Seriously, are you fucking mentally challenged or something? Are you trying to say, that before I interrupted your multi-spam spree, you were NOT discussing "the definition of a TPS"? Then what is it exactly, that you were talking about?mboddz751 wrote:edit: did i ever state the defintion of a TPS...no didn't, so stop trying to prop me up on a point i never made
@WestHybrid: Go to Wikipedia or some other place where you can see what genre a game is, and look up those games. Sure enough, maybe half the games have TPS mentioned, but never as the primary genre, and on the other half not even mentioned.
i never directly stated what the definition was...you implied you know what it is. btw are you sure you're not throwing the tantrum?
btw that wasn't my last post you referenced...good job.
and west's article is from WIKI...are you mentally challanged?
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Re: third person shooters are shitty and if you like them then you're shitty
you can melee too so they could also be considered third person beaters(:WestHybrid 360 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_shooter
You guys need to stop over-analyzing the games. If it's got a camera over your head and you have a gun, it's a third person shooter.
Dead Space. Third Person Shooter.
Grand Theft Auto. Third Person Shooter.
Saints Row. Third Person Shooter.
Resident Evil. Third Person Shooter.
There's really no debate.
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Re: third person shooters are shitty and if you like them then you're shitty
Made in Finland wrote:No you didn't, you just pointed out that "they're 3rd person and you shoot most of the time, there fore they must be TPS".mboddz751 wrote:i said games can be played from the perspective or with features of a TPS but can still be cetain genres. thats literally what you just repeated.Seriously, are you fucking mentally challenged or something? Are you trying to say, that before I interrupted your multi-spam spree, you were NOT discussing "the definition of a TPS"? Then what is it exactly, that you were talking about?mboddz751 wrote:edit: did i ever state the defintion of a TPS...no didn't, so stop trying to prop me up on a point i never made
@WestHybrid: Go to Wikipedia or some other place where you can see what genre a game is, and look up those games. Sure enough, maybe half the games have TPS mentioned, but never as the primary genre, and on the other half not even mentioned.
Clearly the brick lodged in the back of your skull is stopping the reception of thoughts to your brain. I JUST gave you textbook definition of a TPS. It doesn't matter if it's primary or not. It's still the genre of the game, and can be defined by it accordingly.
I'll give you the equation again.
Game A has shooting. Game A also has a third person camera. Therfore Game A is a TPS. It may also be a fantasy, or an action adventure, but the underline fact of the matter is that it's still a God damned TP-fucking-S.
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WestHybrid 360 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_shooter
You guys need to stop over-analyzing the games. If it's got a camera over your head and you have a gun, it's a third person shooter.
Dead Space. Third Person Shooter.
Grand Theft Auto. Third Person Shooter.
Saints Row. Third Person Shooter.
Resident Evil. Third Person Shooter.
There's really no debate.
That list merely lists every game that incorporates the genre into its gameplay. Only for Dead Space is any of those games is "third person shooter" the primary genre/focus. Look at the wiki article for each game.
Dead Space: Survival horror, third-person shooter
Grand Theft Auto: Action-adventure, Open world, Crime
Saints Row: Action-adventure, open world
Resident Evil: Survival horror
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Super Mega King wrote:WestHybrid 360 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_shooter
You guys need to stop over-analyzing the games. If it's got a camera over your head and you have a gun, it's a third person shooter.
Dead Space. Third Person Shooter.
Grand Theft Auto. Third Person Shooter.
Saints Row. Third Person Shooter.
Resident Evil. Third Person Shooter.
There's really no debate.
That list merely lists every game that incorporates the genre into its gameplay. Only for Dead Space is any of those games is "third person shooter" the primary genre/focus. Look at the wiki article for each game.
Dead Space: Survival horror, third-person shooter
Grand Theft Auto: Action-adventure, Open world, Crime
Saints Row: Action-adventure, open world
Resident Evil: Survival horror
if that wasn't dodging the point...
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Re: third person shooters are shitty and if you like them then you're shitty
mboddz751 wrote:Super Mega King wrote:WestHybrid 360 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_shooter
You guys need to stop over-analyzing the games. If it's got a camera over your head and you have a gun, it's a third person shooter.
Dead Space. Third Person Shooter.
Grand Theft Auto. Third Person Shooter.
Saints Row. Third Person Shooter.
Resident Evil. Third Person Shooter.
There's really no debate.
That list merely lists every game that incorporates the genre into its gameplay. Only for Dead Space is any of those games is "third person shooter" the primary genre/focus. Look at the wiki article for each game.
Dead Space: Survival horror, third-person shooter
Grand Theft Auto: Action-adventure, Open world, Crime
Saints Row: Action-adventure, open world
Resident Evil: Survival horror
if that wasn't dodging the point...
I'm not. Please refer to my post a bit higher up on this page where I agreed with you and hybrid to an extent and tried to explain the difference in my mind between a "third person shooter" and an "action adventure" game.
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I'm shooting from a third person perspective. Tell me I'm not playing a TPS.
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Super Mega King wrote:mboddz751 wrote:Super Mega King wrote:WestHybrid 360 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_shooter
You guys need to stop over-analyzing the games. If it's got a camera over your head and you have a gun, it's a third person shooter.
Dead Space. Third Person Shooter.
Grand Theft Auto. Third Person Shooter.
Saints Row. Third Person Shooter.
Resident Evil. Third Person Shooter.
There's really no debate.
That list merely lists every game that incorporates the genre into its gameplay. Only for Dead Space is any of those games is "third person shooter" the primary genre/focus. Look at the wiki article for each game.
Dead Space: Survival horror, third-person shooter
Grand Theft Auto: Action-adventure, Open world, Crime
Saints Row: Action-adventure, open world
Resident Evil: Survival horror
if that wasn't dodging the point...
I'm not. Please refer to my post a bit higher up on this page where I agreed with you and hybrid to an extent and tried to explain the difference in my mind between a "third person shooter" and an "action adventure" game.
yeah i read that. That i can agree with.
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Re: third person shooters are shitty and if you like them then you're shitty
And because you didn't directly state "I am discussing topic X" means you weren't, then? You were even saying "not counting that game as a TPS is bullshit", so are you telling me the point you were trying to convey was NOT "IMO that game fits the definition of a TPS" and disagree with the statement?mboddz751 wrote:i never directly stated what the definition was...you said you know what it is. btw are you sure you're not throwing the tantrum :)
Well no shit, Sherlock. You edited your post AFTER I had already made my previous post. What'd you expect me to do? Go back in time to reply?mboddz751 wrote:btw that wasn't my last post you referenced...good job.
SMK put it pretty well. TPS as a genre is pretty damn well defined, and none of those games really fit that definition. Then there are broader genres, like action-adventure, where TPS is just a part of another, broader genre. That doesn't make the whole fucking game/genre into a TPS. That's like saying every game that requires any thinking at all is a strategy game.
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Re: third person shooters are shitty and if you like them then you're shitty
Made in Finland wrote:And because you didn't directly state "I am discussing topic X" means you weren't, then? You were even saying "not counting that game as a TPS is bullshit", so are you telling me the point you were trying to convey was NOT "IMO that game fits the definition of a TPS" and disagree with the statement?mboddz751 wrote:i never directly stated what the definition was...you said you know what it is. btw are you sure you're not throwing the tantrum :)Well no shit, Sherlock. You edited your post AFTER I had already made my previous post. What'd you expect me to do? Go back in time to reply?mboddz751 wrote:btw that wasn't my last post you referenced...good job.
SMK put it pretty well. TPS as a genre is pretty damn well defined, and none of those games really fit that definition. Then there are broader genres, like action-adventure, where TPS is just a part of another, broader genre. That doesn't make the whole fucking game/genre into a TPS. That's like saying every game that requires any thinking at all is a strategy game.
dude I'm not gonna sit here and defend myself against my own words, I know what I meant when i typed my posts...how about you refer to wests point. or can you not strawman that?
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I'm driving a car. Tell me I'm not playing a racing game.WestHybrid 360 wrote:I'm shooting from a third person perspective. Tell me I'm not playing a TPS.
Look, you didn't really say shit until I pointed out that (IMO) you're wrong. Only after that you started saying "but what i meant was... and i meant it all along!". So either you have a really hard time expressing yourself, or you're just making shit up as you go.mboddz751 wrote:dude I'm not gonna sit here and defend myself against my own words, I know what I meant when i typed my posts...how about you refer to wests point. or can you not strawman that?
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Made in Finland wrote:I'm driving a car. Tell me I'm not playing a racing game.WestHybrid 360 wrote:I'm shooting from a third person perspective. Tell me I'm not playing a TPS.Look, you didn't really say shit until I pointed out that (IMO) you're wrong. Only after that you started saying "but what i meant was... and i meant it all along!". So either you have a really hard time expressing yourself, or you're just making shit up as you go.mboddz751 wrote:dude I'm not gonna sit here and defend myself against my own words, I know what I meant when i typed my posts...how about you refer to wests point. or can you not strawman that?
ok i clearly stated that I think gta, mass effect, and gears can all be credited as TPS's because of their perspectives. HOWEVER, a game can still have other genres...where did i flip flop from that?
and i will admit my response to deadape damaged my own arguement a bit. but i refuse to have you hoist me by it to dodge the point
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You never said that (the bit in bold). Not until I mentioned it, in which event you started insisting that's what you meant all along. And THEN you insisted you weren't even talking about what defines a TPS.mboddz751 wrote:ok i clearly stated that I think gta, mass effect, and gears can all be credited as TPS's because of their perspectives. HOWEVER, a game can still have other genres...where did i flip flop from that?
Disregard my previous post, it was really overcrediting you by saying you actually made something up. All you've done is said "but that's not what I meant, so you're wrong and I'm right" over and over again without any actual arguments.
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you had hard evidence posted in your face and you blantantly ignored it dude...and then tried to tell the kid that posted to cite the very source he just slammed you with. Now obviously I could have conveyed my opinion better, but you'r still only dodging point by turning this in to a debate about the portayal of my argument.
this is obviously working up more then one person so lets just agree to disagree huh?
this is obviously working up more then one person so lets just agree to disagree huh?
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Someone else explaining his opinion after the argument had already begun, and you going "oh yeah... that makes sense... yeah, that's totally what I meant all along too!" is your idea of hard evidence?mboddz751 wrote:you had hard evidence posted in your face
But oh well, it is pretty pointless now.
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