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bman4782 wrote:They refuse to accept assistance from the United States because they fucked with them before. The US tried to kill Iran, before Iran tried to kill the US. Like during the revolution, you and the iraqis just had to team up on us and still it was not enough for you. You really think Iran hates you the most out of ALL the world?

You kind of answered your first question there.

Aside from that, why would anyone want to help a country infamous for stoning/hanging women for adultery? They can go fuck themselves, unless of course you mean helping the Iranian people.

Desert Sleepy wrote:

bman4782 wrote:They refuse to accept assistance from the United States because they fucked with them before. The US tried to kill Iran, before Iran tried to kill the US. Like during the revolution, you and the iraqis just had to team up on us and still it was not enough for you. You really think Iran hates you the most out of ALL the world?

You kind of answered your first question there.

Aside from that, why would anyone want to help a country infamous for stoning/hanging women for adultery? They can go fuck themselves, unless of course you mean helping the Iranian people.

I was talking about the people I couldn't give a rats ass about the country.

bman4782 wrote:I was talking about the people I couldn't give a rats ass about the country.

In that case, there's probably someone out there who would throw a shit fit if we ever helped the Iranian people. And I guess nobody wants to hear any shit fits.

Or the US government just doesn't care very much about the freedom and well being of a bunch of people outside of the US. Kind of depressing.

Meatshield718 wrote:@ Desert, we're the only people that have the balls to help anyone else in the world. We're the main funders of NATO, and the U.N. does jack. Honestly, countries trying to get off of their feet shouldn't be spending money on military. They need social programs and a stronger industries.

Thank you.

eaustinn36 wrote:What we see as "helping", others see as "bullying" or "invading", or even acting as a "terrorist international bully".

And there is no real official definition of "1st, 2nd, 3rd world", since the old definition is outdated and irrelevant. The definition I go by (and is accepted with the people I personally know) is 1st world = industrialized, 2nd world = industrializing (in process), 3rd world = not industrialized.

I would say China and Saudi Arabia are definitely industrialized, therefore by your definition, they are first world.

bman4782 wrote:
If you guys are the only people who have the balls to help anyone else in the world then how come you haven't helped Iran yet?

FoundDa Kiwi wrote:
Maybe because of the fact that Iran refuses to accept any United States assistance? Brush up on recent political events and you'd know that Iran is probably the most anti-American country in the middle east, if not the world.

bman4782 wrote:
They refuse to accept assistance from the United States because they fucked with them before. The US tried to kill Iran, before Iran tried to kill the US. Like during the revolution, you and the iraqis just had to team up on us and still it was not enough for you. You really think Iran hates you the most out of ALL the world?

The day that words are enough is the day that there will be no need for the military.

The United States helps a dying country, we get criticized, (Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam,) and if we don't help out, we get criticized. (i.e. Rwanda)

What about Kosovo huh? There's no oil there, we committed a lot of resources just to save a people. Panama? Ousted a dictator, drug dealer, a manipulative person. What about Columbia? What about Mexico? What about 50 years of defending Europe from being invaded by the Red Army? What about saving South Korea from becoming annexed? What about defending Taiwan from being annexed by China?

See everyone wants security, but NONE OF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO PRESERVE IT.

Leaving Iraq to the evils of Islamic terrorists, when the Iraqi army isn't ready, even less so the Afghan army which will happen in a few years. THESE MEN HATE US! They twist their religion to justify murder, twist their religion to commit atrocities against humanity, against their own people! They hate our ways of life, they hate us!

They will bleed for the opportunity to kill YOU, kill your girlfriends, kill your future wives, your children, your families, your way of life, and they would jump at the chance to destroy our society. These people believe that Islam has deviated from true Islam and must return by any means necessary because it has happened, it has happened to your fellow countrymen and it will happen again.

Here's a short list:

Yemen
12 October 2000 – Attack on the USS Cole in the Yemeni port of Aden.

United States
11 September 2001 – 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.

India
13 December 2001 – Suicide attack on Indian parliament in New Delhi by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. 7 dead, 12 injured.

Israel
27 March 2002 – Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 30 dead, 133 injured.

India
30 March 2002 and 24 November 2002 - Attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India. Total 25 dead.

India
24 September 2002 – Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.

Indonesia
12 October 2002 – Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.

Russia
23 October 2002 - 2002 Moscow theater hostage crisis; Some 40 to 50 Islamist militant separatist seized a crowded Moscow theater taking 850 hostages. 170 killed, 700 injured.

Morocco
16 May 2003 – Casablanca Attacks – 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafia Jihadia.

Spain
11 March 2004 – Madrid train bombings. 191 killed, 1460 injured (alleged link to Al-Qaeda).

Russia
1 September 2004 - Beslan school hostage crisis, approximately 344 civilians including 186 children killed.

Netherlands
2 November 2004 – The murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.

Nigeria
4 February 2005 – Muslim terrorists attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.

India
5 July 2005 - Attack at the Hindu Ram temple at Ayodhya, India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism. 6 dead.

United Kingdom
7 July 2005 – Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.

Egypt
23 July 2005 – Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.

India
29 October 2005 – 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.

Jordan
9 November 2005 – 2005 Amman bombings. a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Over 60 killed and 115 injured. Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.

India
7 March 2006 – 2006 Varanasi bombings, India. A series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi. 28 killed and over 100 injured.

Canada
2-3 June 2006 - A series of attacks erupted against targets in Southern Ontario, Canada, and the June 2, 2006, counter-terrorism raids in and around the Greater Toronto Area that resulted in the arrest of 18 people (dubbed the "Toronto 18") found to be members of an Islamic terrorist cell. 18 Al-Qaeda members were behind this attack plot. They were trying to storm the Canadian Broadcasting Centre, the Canadian Parliament building, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) headquarters, and the parliamentary Peace Tower, to take hostages and to behead the Prime Minister and other leaders. No one was hurt

India
11 July 2006 – 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings, Mumbai, India; a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai. 209 killed and over 700 injured.

Scotland
30 June 2007 - 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack, Glasgow, Scotland; A car loaded with propane canisters was driven into the glass doors of the Glasgow International Airport terminal and set ablaze. 1 killed and 5 injured.

Iraq
14 August 2007 – Qahtaniya bombings: Four suicide vehicle bombers massacred nearly 800 members of northern Iraq's Yazidi sect in the deadliest Iraq war's attack to date.

India
26 July 2008 – 2008 Ahmedabad bombings, India. Islamic terrorists detonate at least 21 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 56 dead and 200 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility. Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence. Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of terrorists suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India.

India
13 September 2008 – Bombing series in Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 3 people dead.

India
26 November 2008 – Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India's largest city and financial capital, Mumbai. The government of India blamed Pakistan based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba and stated that the terrorists killed/caught were citizens of Pakistan, a claim which the Pakistani government first refused but then accepted when given proof. Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists, was caught alive.

Iraq
25 October 2009. Baghdad, Iraq. During a terrorist attack, two bomber vehicles detonated in the Green Zone, killing at least 155 people and injuring 520.

Pakistan
28 October 2009 – Peshawar, Pakistan. A car bomb is detonated in a woman exclusive shopping district, and over 110 killed and over 200 injured.

Somalia
3 December 2009 – Mogadishu, Somalia. A male suicide bomber disguised as a woman detonates in a hotel meeting hall. The hotel was hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students when the blast went off, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.

Pakistan
1 January 2010 – Lakki Marwat, Pakistan. A suicide car bomber drove his explosive-laden vehicle into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match, killing more than 100 people.

India
14 February 2010 - Pune, Maharashtra, India. bomb blast ripped through the city's popular German Bakery, close to the Osho Ashram and diagonally across from the Jewish Chabad House killing 17 people and injuring 65.Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) claimed involvement of Pakistan based Lashkar-e-Taiba's (LeT).Police arrested Mirza Himayat Baig Inayat Baig,who allegedly heads Lashkar-e-Taiba's (LeT) module in the state.ATS has also arrested Bilal Baba Hussain Fareed Shaikh .In its chargesheet filed in a Pune court, the ATS has also named six other accused - all co-conspirator and absconding - Mohsin Choudhary, Yasin Bhatkal, Riyaz Bhatkal, Iqbal Bhatkal, Faiyaz Kagzi and Zabihuddin Ansari.

United States
1 May 2010 - New York, New York, USA. Faisal Shahzad, an Islamic Pakistani American who received an American citizenship in December 2009, attempted to detonate a car bomb in Times Square working with the Pakistani Taliban or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.

Pakistan
28 May 2010 - Attacks on Ahmadi Mosques Lahore, Pakistan. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed attacks on two mosques simultaneously belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others.

Egypt
1 January 2011 - Alexandria, Egypt. A car bomb exploded outside a Coptic Orthodox church after worshippers had gathered for a prayer celebration on New Year's Eve. 21 dead, 97 injured.

Russia
24 January 2011 - Domodedovo International Airport, Moscow, Russia. A suicide bomb attack in the international arrivals hall of Domodedovo International Airport, Moscow killed at least 37 people and injured some 180. Attacks were later attributed to the Caucasus Emirate an Islamist terrorist organisation.

Philippines
25 January 2011 - Manilla, Philippines. A bomb under a bus seat detonated on a passenger bus commuting in Manilla. 5 dead, 14 injured. The attack has been attributed to the Islamist Terrorist Organization Jemaah Islamiyah.

Russia
26 January 2011 - Khasavyurt, Russia. A car bomb explosion detonated by the Caucasus Emirate an Islamist terrorist organisation ripped through a cafe, with the blast killing and injuring both cafe workers and customers within the Russian city of Khasavyurt. 4 dead, 6 injured.

Thailand
18 April 2011 - Pattani, Thailand. Suspected Muslim insurgents have set off a car bomb that killed one soldier and wounded 25 people in restive southern Thailand.

Nigeria
25 April 2011 - Maiduguri, Nigeria. An explosion at a hotel killed 3 people and wounded 14 others in northeastern Nigeria. A second explosion went off at a cattle market in the town of Maiduguri; it is suspected that the attacks have been perpetrated by the radical Islamic sect Bokko Haram (figuratively, "Western or non-Islamic education is a sin")

Morocco
28 April 2011 - Marrakesh, Morocco. A suicide bombing struck a cafe in Djemaa el Fna square, killing mostly foreigners and several Moroccan's, in the centre of Morocco's southern city of Marrakesh, which is located in southern Morocco. 16 dead and at least 20 injured. The attack was attributed to the Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group.

Thailand
8 June 2011 - Narathiwat, Thailand. Suspected Islamic militants killed two Buddhist monks and left a bomb at the scene that subsequently exploded and wounded five police officers. 2 dead, 5 injured.

China
18 July 2011 - Hotan, China. A group of 18 young Uyghur men who opposed the local government's campaign against the full-face Islamic veil perpetrated a series of coordinated bomb and knife attacks and occupied a police station on Nuerbage Street, killing two security guards and taking eight hostages. The attackers yelled religious slogans, including ones associated with Jihadism.



So, my question is, how many more men, women, children, husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons or daughters, storeowners, business leaders, soldiers, teachers...

How many more need to die to this evil? How many more will it take, before someone other than the US, the only ones who will stand up to this, takes it seriously? Unfortunately, all too often we just put our heads in the sand and hope the problem will go away. If this was a country perpetrating this, would any of us stand for allowing this to happen?

Those are just the major ones, every day someone in Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia or wherever dies to their cause? How can we even ignore it? Because they're just numbers. It's within you, to not think of them as statistics, but as real people. Who here could honestly say they wouldn't raise arms to keep this from happening to their families? Their brothers or sisters? Their girlfriends?

Because I would die for the chance to do so.

@Jag - I won't able to address every individual point, as it would probably crash the page and take hours upon hours to type, but I will try to reach the point.

First off, Saudi Arabia and China are not industrialized, they are industrializing, so by my definition, they are second world.

But more importantly, the main body of text. You mention the US is the only nation that takes this seriously, when actually they are the only nation that doesn't see the harsh reality of it, that no one in the USA wants to hear. You can't defeat terrorism, and no matter how many trillions of dollars we spend and millions of people we kill it will always exist.

The fact of the matter is that the "war" we are facing right now (as you describe) isn't a war on terrorism, but a war on human nature. As you also mentioned, much of this violence is created by their "distorted" ideas and religion. You can kill a people, but not the ideas shared there.

The human race is filled with many incorrectable flaws; flaws in which we have come to accept and live with. The concept of Greed is possibly one of the main flaws. Although, despite this, we need to look on the broader spectrum; we are animals. We are intelligent animals, but still animals, in the sense that we have our primal instinct toward violence. There is something about man the same way there is about a father Lion protecting its family; we resort to violence to solve our issues. This can not be changed, as the whole "manly aggression" traits are wired into our DNA. What we can do, is try our best for alternatives, seeking peaceful methods to solve our problems.

There will always be war, mainly caused by dramatic difference of opinion; it will never end, so long as it continues the way it is. The only way to end war is to end difference, and to end difference you must end ideas, but ideas can never die, unless everyone else does. Where am I going on this? The only way to win the war on terrorism is to eliminate the human race. It is a grim truth, and am I saying we should do this? Hell no, i'm not insane, just logical. This leads to my greater point though.

No matter where our military looks in the world, there will always be injustice, always trouble. We could devote 100% of our budget to military, and it still wouldn't be enough; human nature is human nature. We could continue down current paths, but this constant violence and "invasion" trying to help just leads us closer toward an all out world war 3. You can't hate what you don't know, but everyone in the ME has a face to hate. We (the US) have been asserting our presence there forever, and have created tension that is unfortunately irreversible over the many decades. Sometimes they don't want our help, and we give it to them anyways. Other times they do, and they are grateful, but at the same time, the world is using us.

Why do you think the US economy is down? Why is our healthcare horrible? Why is our education slipping? Why have other nations passed us? Because, we are off fighting everyone's battles. We need to scale back our military, forcing other nations to take a fair-share approach. Europe's non-military functions are great because they aren't involved in so many wars; the "best off" nations in the world have always been neutral.

All of your points are correct Jag, all of them; there is no denying it. However, what war are we trying to win, that we are spending so much money on? We could wipe out every terrorist in the ME and build up every nation one by one, and what would be the result? A reversal of role. The US would be crippled and bankrupt after the whole process, and (due to us continuing high foreign spending) domestically it would be a train wreck. Meanwhile, these new nations rise up and do great, maybe even subduing terrorism in the ME all together. So what happens? The terrorists move somewhere else. The fact is that each country is like a person in a class system; no matter what, no matter who we build up, someone will take a fall as a result; there will always be poor nations in the world where terrorism and hate can blossom. So, where do we want it? In the ME, or on the US homeland?

However, on a brighter note, there is a second side. While I stated that we can never defeat terrorism, terrorism can also never defeat us. They can pull these random attacks, but the vast majority of the world disapproves of it. It is like criminals here in the US; not everyone tries to rob the bank, but someone always does try, always. This can't be changed, but preventative measures can go into place, like security alarms and better vaults.

So how does the above relate to us on a larger scale? Well, there will always be terrorists, and terrorist attacks. What can we do? Ramp up security, but going to war with them as a whole, in every single nation one by one, just bankrupts us, and fuels the war on. My slogan is "the best offense is a great defense"; let's just ramp up home security, and try our best to prevent attacks here, instead of invading everyone and starting wars (we do start many wars). Propaganda is a lot easier to spread with something to go on, and a US Soldier forcing their way into their country (whether they like it or not) and shooting and killing people (whether bad or good) can easily play into that.

It is well known that more US lives are lost overseas fighting these wars, than that are lost in the US as a result of these horrible and violent terrorist attacks. You stated this:


"How many more need to die to this evil? How many more will it take, before someone other than the US, the only ones who will stand up to this, takes it seriously? Unfortunately, all too often we just put our heads in the sand and hope the problem will go away. If this was a country perpetrating this, would any of us stand for allowing this to happen?"


So my question to you is: How many more soldiers have to die overseas, how many more people must we kill, how many more lives must WE end, to realize that war isn't worth it?

You say everyone is burying their heads in the sand; that is one way to look at it. Another way to see it is that we are letting those countries fight their own battles; it is their war to fight for their freedom, and it will eventually be won by themselves. Look at Syria: the whole nation is in riot. The only way to subdue them at this point is to kill everyone, which the government wouldn't do since there would be no nation to govern; it is only a matter of time. All we would do is speed up this process, at the cost of our well being.

We could continue this endless war, but what about a golden age? Look at all the good that has come out of non-violent and non-defense spending for us. Marvels in modern medicine including cures for diseases, education that has propelled us into a modern technological revolution, and engineering and creative design that has creates skyscrapers and many beautiful man-made monuments; music that inspires us. We could take what we have and propel ourselves to new lengths with increased investment in these areas, and surpass all of Europe and Asia in this technology; but no, we can't. We are too busy spending tons of money for killing machines to maintain our human nature primitive instincts, to fight an ongoing war that will never end, and never get anywhere.

There are real people dieing everyday due to violence, as you mentioned, but what about disease and starvation? AIDS for example is killing far more in Africa than terrorists could even hope to kill, and that is just one disease. It may sound cruel, but violence and terrorism can't be helped, and spending the money to prevent it just fuels the war more; however, diseases can be defeated (maybe not all diseases in general, but more so than fighting human nature). Human life is valuable, and money can go toward saving it, instead of shooting it (and disease is one of many non-military examples).

"Who here could honestly say they wouldn't raise arms to keep this from happening to their families? Their brothers or sisters? Their girlfriends?"

I would, because violence is not always the answer.

eaustinn36 wrote:
But more importantly, the main body of text. You mention the US is the only nation that takes this seriously, when actually they are the only nation that doesn't see the harsh reality of it, that no one in the USA wants to hear. You can't defeat terrorism, and no matter how many trillions of dollars we spend and millions of people we kill it will always exist.

So my question to you is: How many more soldiers have to die overseas, how many more people must we kill, how many more lives must WE end, to realize that war isn't worth it?

The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
How many more of this cause must we kill? All of them. They're evil.

You say all my points are correct, that there is no denying it, yet you deny that these people must be fought. The fact that you have the audacity to say that WE can't see the harsh reality of it? YOU DON'T SOLVE PROBLEMS BY PUTTING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND.

Your girlfriend doesn't solve a problem with you by giving you the silent treatment.
You don't get an addict off of drugs by letting him shoot up.
You don't solve crime by letting them get away with it.
You don't solve an affront to your people, by letting them execute it.


They aren't bank robbers, they aren't criminals, they are murderers. They're false prophets bent on destroying Western society. And they may succeed, because the West is filled with people like you that are afraid to fight for anything, we've all been spoiled by our luxurious homes, cars, our lives of Riley, spineless politicians dictating the lives of men.

Death is inevitable, so why not have yours honorably fighting a true evil?

How can there be a golden age, when this evil will stop at nothing to destroy the future of our society? When there's a bully harassing you, it doesn't go away because you ignore him, it goes away when you kick his ass. And I know what you're going to say, and the truth is guess what? There is no authority to report them to, no matter how much you want there to be.

You don't understand, because you have no brothers, no sisters, and no lover.

And that's all I have to say about that.

Your girlfriend doesn't solve a problem with you by giving you the silent treatment.
You don't get an addict off of drugs by letting him shoot up.
You don't solve crime by letting them get away with it.
You don't solve an affront to your people, by letting them execute it.

I believe that these analogies are really poor and do not fit in this context. Most of these problems are tangible enough to attack directly and work to fixing with direct intervention -- "terrorism" is a blanket, vague term used to apply to hundreds of different groups that work against the US. Because terrorism is loosely defined and not at all tangible it will always exist, and because of that it can never truly be defeated. There will always be terrorists. To that end, you make the point that we can't simply stand around with our hands in our pockets and say "Whatcha gonna do?" (correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think the cost is quite worth it anymore. We've spent thousands and thousands of lives and trillions of dollars funding ideological wars against terrorism with no end in sight. We have men dying every day to fight against an enemy that's actually pretty theoretical. Is it worth it? Where do we draw the line?

And perhaps it'd be prudent to remember that "evil" is relative. The United States has done many reprehensible acts, evil acts, as have all world governments. Should we be destroyed, too?

eaustinn36 wrote:The only way to end war is to end difference, and to end difference you must end ideas, but ideas can never die, unless everyone else does. Where am I going on this? The only way to win the war on terrorism is to eliminate the human race. It is a grim truth, and am I saying we should do this? Hell no, i'm not insane, just logical. This leads to my greater point though.

You want to eliminate terrorism and keep fighting; the the bolded section must be done, and that includes you and me.

Also, I never said they must not be fought; I said they must not violently be fought. Again, there are other solutions to problems than a primitive instinct to kill the enemy.


You also have stated this:

"They aren't bank robbers, they aren't criminals, they are murderers. They're false prophets bent on destroying Western society."

I agree; but then again it is perspective. Do we not kill (murder) them? Are we not bent on destroying THEIR society in preservation of ours? And who is to say our religion and beliefs are the truth (they can't say theirs is either)?


We aren't in a golden age because we choose not to be in one. You see things as "Death is inevitable, so why not have yours honorably fighting a true evil", while I see that at another innocent man throwing his life away to an impossible cause. Will the world change with each death? Nope.

As for the bully example: outsmart him. If you are in a nation that puts education over military, i'm sure they could be outsmarted. Use non-violent methods, or better yet, make him redirect his violence on himself (again, this is, as you said, assuming no authority figures).

And finally, to the final point:

"You don't understand, because you have no brothers, no sisters, and no lover."

You are incorrect on 2 of the 3 of those, and are making assumptions on what i've seen, what I have experienced, and who I am beyond the text you are reading now.



EDIT: @SMK - Agreed in Full.

I fully agree to austin and SMK at this point,

Back to what Austin was saying, Jag why can't we see truth in our religion as well and you do? That is my real question.

Switching gears here to more current events: Syria.

Just curious: What is your (your meaning anyone on UX) opinion on this issue?

If you don't know what is going on, here is the most recent article I can find:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/09/us-syria-idUSTRE80S08620120209


So the main question: In YOUR opinion, what is the US's role? If you aren't in the US, what is your nations role?

How should the US (if at all) address the situation?

Should we send:
- Military aid (US troops)?
- Weapon aid (sending them weapons)?
- Financial aid?
- another form of aid/assistance?

There are a lot more important problems than Syria to worry about.
We have to end discrimination based on sexuality, for one.
Slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger.
We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern, and less materialism in young people.

Courtyard Droll wrote:There are a lot more important problems than Syria to worry about.
We have to end discrimination based on sexuality, for one.
Slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger.
We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern, and less materialism in young people.

When pigs fly.

What do you mean by discrimination by sexuality? What can't a woman do that a man can these days besides serve as a soldier in the military?

And honestly Courtyard, uprooting Syria's government would be putting a dent into a terrorist supporter.

@Erik

Depends on what message you want to send. If you want to stand up for the people of Syria then start to muscle in on Syria instead of telling them "Stop it,".

The West has to stand up for freedom, but the extent of which they pursue it is completely up to them, and only leads to more hatred towards us seeing as we aren't "doing anything about it".

Alternatively, you could garrison the country and promote freedom and what not, but seeing as you deal with a people who's ideology comes down to "Women are always second class, non-believers, hypocrites and such are to be killed." et cetera et cetera, there's not much of a point.

Do what you want, it doesn't matter to me. Notice how Iraq is already falling apart from leaving a fledgling government to tend to a colossal problem? Better do it right with Afghanistan, but that place is far worse off than Iraq ever was.

It's a fact that in non-federal workplaces men make much more and have a greater chance of advancement. Beyond that, I believe that one of most important issues is civil rights; end the baseless discrimination of sexual orientation, as well.

Haven't been following Syria enough so I won't insult your guy's intelligence by being really stupid about it.

Harbinger brings up a good point, though. Perhaps a forgotten thing now but the nuclear stockpiles that we still have could easily end the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States

Interesting article on income disparity.

@Courtyard
They all sound good on paper but there's definitely more to it than that.

Courtyard Droll wrote:There are a lot more important problems than Syria to worry about.
We have to end discrimination based on sexuality, for one.
Slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger.
We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern, and less materialism in young people.

Nuclear arms, terrorism, world hunger, these things don't concern me.

What really concerns me are celebrity magazines, television with 500 channels, some guy's name on my underwear. Rogaine. Viagra. Olestra.

Election season is approaching, so I am totally reviving undead-politicsbox for the time being (you can kill me later). Anyway, this isn't a really bias issue i'm bringing up (actually, it counters my argument), but Kiwi wanted to bring it up, but didn't feel like posting it (in fact, as I type, he is pestering me in an xbl party right now).

Anyways, curious about people's thoughts on this (video is a couple days old).

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WARNING: The following spoiler contains political information that could cause anger or massive flame wars; all responses should be civilized (as they have been) and make your point clear, while avoiding name calling.

Spoiler:

Well if this is undead-politicsbox, then I'm just going to throw out that I saw the following headline on a newspaper today: "Rape rarely causes pregnancy, GOP Senate candidate says".

Didn't even have to read a sentence, I instantly knew the entire article.

eaustinn36 wrote:Election season is approaching, so I am totally reviving undead-politicsbox for the time being (you can kill me later). Anyway, this isn't a really bias issue i'm bringing up (actually, it counters my argument), but Kiwi wanted to bring it up, but didn't feel like posting it (in fact, as I type, he is pestering me in an xbl party right now).

Anyways, curious about people's thoughts on this (video is a couple days old).

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WARNING: The following spoiler contains political information that could cause anger or massive flame wars; all responses should be civilized (as they have been) and make your point clear, while avoiding name calling.

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What is your argument?

The public doesn't need to know EVERYTHING that goes on. It's better for everybody that way. People in the armed forces have a security clearance for a fucking reason

fucking Illuminati bastards

Jagdgeschwader wrote:What is your argument?

Well, I was hoping others would input theirs, rather than me post mine off the start, and then spend the next 5 pages criticizing it w/o posting their own.

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Fuck politics, I play video games.

Westhybrid 360 wrote:Fuck politics, I play video games.

If that was on a shirt, I would wear the fuck out of that shirt.

Westhybrid 360 wrote:Fuck politics, I play video games.

Then you should run as the "video game" party/platform?